Total Shadow Spell Revamp
Going down a more serious route for Illusion to have Shadow spells help their school a lot, is to have the spells act more like their PnP 3.5E counterparts.
The change to the spell levels (and addition of Shadow Evocation) should be fine. For two reasons:
- The AI doesn't use them properly with talents so rarely were added to blueprints (and Shadow Conjuration isn't changing level)
- We could validate blueprints with some searches for the spell Ids in Nasher
- Players won't lose spells if a Sorcerer since they'll get the upgraded ones for "free". Bard may lose Greater Shadow Conjuration though.
These are detailed below:
| Spell Name | Class/Level | Description | 8 Example Spells | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shadow Conjuration | Bard 4, Sorcerer 4, Wizard 4 | "Shadow conjuration can mimic any sorcerer or wizard conjuration (summoning) or conjuration (creation) spell of 3rd level or lower." Will save else take 20% of the given effects (eg if damage from Melf's Acid Arrow) and 20% as powerful/last 20% as long. Summoned creatures have 20% of the HP they'd usually have. | Long: Medium: Short: Touch: Personal: Spare 1: Spare 2: Spare 3: | Not the best spell but has it's uses. Changing to just Conjuration makes sense. |
| Greater Shadow Conjuration | Sorcerer 7, Wizard 7 | Same as Shadow Conjuration but up to level 6 Conjuration spells, but at 60% effectiveness even if they pass a will save. 60% for HP of summons. | Much more powerful at 60% effect even if saved. | |
| Shades | Sorcerer 9, Wizard 9 | Same as Shadow Conjuration but up to level 8 Conjuration spells, but at 80% effectiveness even if they pass a will save. 80% for HP of summons. | Very effective even if saved can get also any level 8 or under conjuration spell. | |
| Shadow Evocation | Bard 5, Sorcerer 5, Wizard 5 | "You tap energy from the Plane of Shadow to cast a quasi-real, illusory version of a sorcerer or wizard evocation spell of 4th level or lower." Will save else take 20% of the given effects of damage, 20% as powerful etc. Gust of Wind or similar "non-effect" driven spells are always at full power. | Evocation only spells. | |
| Greater Shadow Evocation | Sorcerer 8, Wizard 8 | Same as Shadow Evocation but up to level 7 spells at 60% effectiveness. | A lot more effective! |
Technical Implementation
The problem with the current method of 8 set spells is figuring out what a good set of spells to use for those 8 slots are. It becomes also redundant when you can have nice NUI spell selectors and more spells are added later!
The main problem with having slots you can choose is is an issue of text, since we can have SetTextureOverride apply a new spell icon to a given subspell icon. SetTlkOverride does work but conflicts if another caster changes theirs (NPCs can do whatever too but this can be set/set back pretty much on the timing of casting). This might be enough to be honest?
We could also mix it up and have these:
- 5 for the different ranges: Long, Medium, Short, Touch and Personal
- These default to particular spells (at least their icons do) so people can quickbar them.
- 3 for set spells that can't be changed
Sadly we don't have 10 slots since we could do "area" and "targeted" for each. For now we'll just have to have every single target be valid and add additional validation in the shadow spell script.
For the spell data we can have some nice "illusion-ary" VFX and SFX used for conjuration and casting. We then do more magic in the spell script:
- Set a parameter to alter the spell ID of the next one called
- Execute the spell script of the spell we are mimicing
- Have wrappers to do the 20/60/80% effect on illusion saves for various effects.
The key effects are to reduce the effectiveness if a (separate) Will save is successful:
- Before the effect is applied alter the duration/damage amounts based on a will save result. Only need to call this will save once the save-or-negate, SR etc. parts of the spell are done of course
- Easiest to do it successful or not in the usual save throw function (With a global for it to track).
- Dice roll and duration functions take it into account
- Other "effects" like amount of Attack Damage or whatever if a spell had it, might be nice to change, but not sure...
Original Ideas
3 spells in this range:
- Shadow Conjuration - level 4
- Greater Shadow Conjuration - level 5
- Shades - level 6
These provide access to 4 normal spells and a unique "Summon Shadow" spell.
One advantage of this spell is having five spells combined into one. For sorcerers, this effectively increases the number of spells known. For wizards, this provides the ability to select which spell to cast at the time of casting.
The main issue is they were not as flexible as the spells they were based off (which could mimic loads more spells), but they did have the benefit of having the full effects of the real spells.
Some ideas on what to do. We can at least expand them by 3 with more subdial options. The spells are considered pretty weak, and I'd agree, with the levels of the spells allowed quite a lot lower then the spell slot - I mean who would want to cast a random Magic Missile in a 4th level spell slot? Bioware may have done this to avoid the "20% power" stuff however, but then again you get access to Cone of Cold for Shades, one a level lower and thus could be considerably more useful (and gains a save DC bonus).
Existing Defaults
Keeping the originals would keep both some backwards compatibility, some sensible things for AI's to use, and doesn't mess with things too much.
The defaults are:
| Spell | Spell Level | Subspells | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Shadow Conjuration | 4 | Darkness (Evocation, 2) Invisibility (Illusion, 2) Mage Armor (Conjuration, 1) Magic Missile (Evocation, 1) Summon Shadow | SRD: https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Shadow_Conjuration Essentially 20% power of spells level 3 or lower. |
| Greater Shadow Conjuration | 5 | Melf's Acid Arrow (Conjuration, 2) Ghostly Visage (Illusion, 2) Web (Conjuration, 2) Minor Globe of Invulnerability (Abjuration, 4) Summon Shadow | SRD: https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Shadow_Conjuration,_Greater Essentially 40% power of spells level 4 or lower. |
| Shades | 6 | Cone of Cold (Evocation, 5) Fireball (Evocation, 3) Stoneskin (Abjuration, 4) Wall of Fire (Evocation, 4) Summon Shadow | SRD: https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Shades Essentially 60% power of spells level 5 or lower. |
Fixes
| Name | Changes | Notes |
|---|---|---|
All base spells | Added Quicken to Shadow Conjuration and Greater Shadow Conjuration | On Metamagic: need to think how best we can do this, maybe just allow all metamagic (as appropriate) and hey if it doesn't work for that particular spell no loss. Improves the spell versatility. |
All subspells | All spell schools set to Illusion (for Arcane Defence, Spell Focus) All components fixed to parent spell (don't think any are wrong, all stomatic/verbal) All levels set to parent spell (save DCs) Metamagic matches parents (adding Quicken generally) Fixed any hostile settings as needed (eg; Shades, Wall of Fire) | This helps illusionist casters a bit with spell DCs |
Shadow Conjuration - Summon Shadow Greater Shadow Conjuration - Summon Shadow Shades - Summon Shadow | AI Category changed to Summoning Hostile setting set to "No" Fixed level settings (counterspell/spellcraft) of all subspells to match the parent spell | The wrong AI and hostility rating implies it was a different spell in the 5th slot at one point (and this one was originally going to be a level 5 Cleric spell, weird!) |
3 New Subradial Options
Options here:
- Add 3 more set spells per version
- Allow a choice of any spells the player sets up
Since we can't link to existing Spell ID lines we need to add new ones.
Any spell would be best done if we can fake the spell ID (insert complicated system using TagEffect here...!), or only allow instant spells - eg Fireball or the like that do damage not persistent effects (There's no saved effects to interact with then).
Some ideas if we were to pre-set them. A focus would be on areas missing from the other 4 in that spell already. No summons since we have Summon Shadow.
| Spell | Spell Level | Maximum spell level | Additional Subspell Ideas | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shadow Conjuration | 4 | 3 | Negative Energy Burst (Necromancy, 3) Blindness/Deafness (Enchantment, 2) Flame weapon (Evocation, 2) | Existing: No AOE spells, all existing ones are levels 1 and 2 |
| Greater Shadow Conjuration | 5 | 4 | Enervation (Necromancy, 4) Confusion (Enchantment, 4) Isaac's lesser missile storm (Evocation, 4) | Existing: Good variety of spells already (defensive, offensive) levels 2 or 4 |
| Shades | 6 | 5 | Hold Monster (Enchantment, 5) Lesser Spell Mantle (Abjuration, 5) Bigby's interposing hand (Evocation, 5) | Existing: Quite a lot of fire! AOE explosions, persistent spells and Stoneskin is good. Levels 3, 4, 5. |